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Fact-Checking The Geert Wilders Road Show

On a speaking tour of Australia, the controversial Dutch populist is being touted as a prophet of “Freedom, Islam and the West”, but a bit of truth-squadding shows his message is losing appeal at home.


Enough Islam in the West?

In the bewildering battle of ideas, ideology and spin, facts are important.

But the ugly confrontations that have marked the Australian tour of the extravagantly coiffed Dutch politician Geert Wilders — the Islamophobe whom Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik cited as an inspiration — have seen truth fall by the wayside.

Wilders’ trip to our shores was sponsored by The Q Society, an obscure group of “unhyphenated Australians” roused to halt the “further Islamisation of our Nation”. It spruiks its man with claims that the politician’s anti-Islam message has the support of “one million Dutch voters”. Muslims in The Netherlands number close to one million, around 5 to 6 per cent of the population, concentrated in cities such as Amsterdam and Rotterdam.

The Q Society also claims that since last September’s elections in The Netherlands, Wilders’ Freedom Party has “climbed to 25 seats in the polls and would likely be the second strongest party if elections were held now” — the ‘now’ being February 11, when the society published a press release promoting the Wilders tour.

That claim was amended from a more extravagant version of the same press release, in which the Q Society claimed that Wilders’ party “is currently [in early January 2013] the largest party in the polls”.

Even as the pompadoured Dutchman urges Australians to summon their ANZAC spirit to keep at bay marauding Muslims (who now number around 2 per cent of the Australian population), The Global Mail has learned in Amsterdam that none of the Q Society’s statements is quite correct.

Yet the Q Society’s claims about Wilders and his party’s standing in The Netherlands have been blithely repeated in Australian media reports, such as those written by Melbourne-based News Ltd polemicist Andrew Bolt.

While critics of the Wilders tour are being demonised as "un-Australian", the devil, as is often the case, is in the details.

So how popular is Geert Wilders among the Dutch? Does he lead the most popular political party in The Netherlands, as the Q Society has claimed? Or even the second most popular, as it has also claimed? Is Wilders poised to sweep to power in The Netherlands on an Islamophobic ticket?

First, let’s take the Q Society’s ‘one million Dutch voters’ claim.

The PVV, as Wilders’ Freedom Party is known by its Dutch acronym, officially received just over 950,000 votes in last September’s elections, which is about 10 per cent of the national popular vote.

That’s 50,000 votes between claim and fact. In The Netherlands, 50,000 votes could have won Wilders’ party several seats in the election less than six months ago. The PVV vote slumped by one-third, from 1.454 million, or 15.4 per cent in the 2010 election, causing it instead to lose 9 of its previous 24 seats in the 150-seat Dutch House of Representatives.

Revealing his political opportunism, Wilders would abandon his anti-Islam platform in the 2012 election, and instead campaigned against the euro and the Dutch membership of the European Union, while also setting up a website that invited the Dutch to complain about Poles and other non-Muslim immigrants and workers from the EU’s eastern European member countries.

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South Australian Liberal Senator Cory Bernardi, whom Wilders described as an old friend.

As we mentioned earlier, the Q Society also said last week that Wilders’ Freedom Party “had climbed to 25 seats in the polls and would likely be the second strongest party if elections were held now”.

Four days after the Q Society published that claim, an opinion poll from one of The Netherlands’ leading polling agencies, TNS-Nipo, showed that far from being poised for power or even close to it, Wilders’ Freedom Party was tracking at a marginal fifth. And that support had surged for a new party speaking for Dutch pensioners, among whom Wilders is supposed to have appeal.

But that’s just a single opinion poll. What about a broader sample?

The Global Mail consulted Dutch psephologist Dr Tom Louwerse of Leiden University’s Political Science Department, who manages a data project for the university called the Peilingwijzer, or the Polling Indicator.

It’s a poll of polls, tracking myriad Dutch opinion surveys and aggregating the results to provide a better measure of the national political mood.

Among the methods used by Dr Louwerse are the polling techniques of noted Australian political scientist, Dr Simon Jackman of Stanford University.

Dr Louwerse might well be the Dutch Antony Green (of Australia’s ABC fame) or perhaps its Nate Silver — the American pollster at fivethirtyeight.com, who correctly predicted who would win all but one state in the past two US presidential elections.

Dr Louwerse’s data has been a feature of election coverage on The Netherlands’ state broadcaster NOS, which is required by law to be impartial.

The Q Society frequently cites ‘polls’ as evidence of Wilders’ popularity in The Netherlands — the plural usage, repeated by the columnist Bolt as recently as two days ago.

According to Dr Louwerse, Wilders’ PVV has this year led in just a single opinion poll — that conducted by the Maurice de Hond survey agency in early January.

Even in the Maurice de Hond survey, PVV shared the lead with the governing People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy, the party of Prime Minister Mark Rutte — another detail the Q Society didn’t include in its ‘polls’ claim.

Dr Louwerse also points out that Maurice de Hond’s surveys, which he includes in his collated data, are “much criticised” for favouring the Wilders camp. He says that’s because of the self-selected polling techniques it deploys, which can advantage populist activism — a Wilders hallmark. Most Dutch voters, Dr Louwerse says, aren’t sufficiently exercised politically to regularly register their mood with opinion pollsters. “It can tend to be those wanting to send the government a message,” who respond to Maurice de Hond’s surveys, says Dr Louwerse.

As for the Q Society/Bolt claims that Wilders’ party ranks second in Dutch ‘polls’ now, in February, that’s not right either.

Leaving aside that single abovementioned TNS-Nipo poll of February 15, which places the PVV fifth, Dr Louwerse’s most recent poll of polls, collating all surveys taken around February 16, shows support for Wilders’ PVV “at that time was 12.6 per cent, with a plus-minus error margin of one percentage point.”

Louwerse's data places Wilders’ PVV at fourth nationally, just ahead of that surging 50PLUS pensioners’ party and the centre-right Christian Democrats that held power in The Netherlands through much of the 1980s. But that’s neither first nor even second nationally, per the Q Society/Bolt claims — it’s fourth position, with fifth and sixth in sight.

Indeed, in Leiden University’s poll of polls, at no time over the past five months, since the Dutch voted in an election that denied Wilders a grab at even influencing a victorious coalition, has the PVV been first or even second in collated national opinion.

Wilders’ PVV has consistently tracked fourth during that time, briefly peaking at third through December. The peak occurred after Wilders publicly revealed what many Dutch privately suspected; that the teenage footballers who bashed to death a Dutch dad volunteering as a referee, after a dispute in a suburban football match, were of Moroccan descent.

That killing was a shocking event, and for many fair-minded Dutch, it represented the violent exception that proves the rule of their famously tolerant liberalism. Never mind that pragmatism and commercial advantage might be at the heart of this tiny, tourist-friendly port nation’s tolerance.

In all, the Q Society doesn’t let facts hamper its efforts to tout Wilders’ Islamophobic campaign. Regarded by many as a hate speech, it paints the picture of a dystopic Netherlands overrun by Islamists and poised to become the West’s first member of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, Extremist Chapter (if such a chapter existed) — with a burqa-ed Australia following close behind.

But as the likes of Liberal Party Senator Cory Bernardi, whom Wilders reportedly described as an old friend, might agree, there’s nothing like a bit of gratuitous scaremongering — and a few dodgy numbers — to crank up one’s flagging political career. It works particularly well on unsuspecting overseas audiences — just dust off an old stump speech that those at home have long since grown weary of.

88 comments on this story
by adam

Play the ball eric not the man.

February 22, 2013 @ 6:05pm
by mike

Given Islam's recent record worldwide in terms of terrorism, gay-killing, Jew-hatred, intolerance and misogyny, I would think most sensible people should be a bit "Islamophobic". In any case Wilders has the right to speak and those who want to hear him should have the right to do so without harassment or violence.

February 22, 2013 @ 6:35pm
by Matthew

"Islamophobe whom Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik cited" In fact Breivik cited Muhammad and Osama Bin Laden 36 times and 29 times respectively, as many, if not more times than of Geert Wilders. Breivik stated that his main inspiration was Al Qaeda. So which man was Al Qaeda's main inspiration?

Was Muhammad a mass murderer like Breivik? Yes! Has Muhammad inspired terrorism by his examples? Yes! Does Muhammad receive the same condemnation as Breivik? No!

February 22, 2013 @ 6:57pm
by Tee Jay

BREAKING NEWS: UK Police catch three Muslims planning terror attack in England - Geert Wilders is right AGAIN.

The ignorant PRESS haven't read the Koran from cover to cover which EVERY MUSLIM believes to be the very word of THEIR god. Almost one fifth of the ENTIRE text of the Koran is devoted to VIOLENTLY conquering EVERY non-Muslim on the planet. If you don't believe me, then READ IT FOR YOURSELF, and then make an educated comment on Islam instead!!!

February 22, 2013 @ 7:42pm
by Wayne

Even if your right about your figures Eric, It doesn't change the premise that allot of people don't like whats happening in their communities, and fear that if the numbers increase dramatically, along with their way of life, it could impact on them negatively in the future. It is my belief, that radical Islam will never rest until their enemies are either wiped of the face of the map, or ruled over by Sharia law. Terror Cells only need a small population. Only time will tell if you were right that we just sit back and watch?

February 22, 2013 @ 8:59pm
by J.Fraser

Still trying to figure out the difference between "coiffured Wilders" and "Slick" Abbott.

February 22, 2013 @ 9:05pm
by Sholto Douglas

While Wilders may indeed over-egg the pudding, it would not be as dumb as Mr Ellis suggesting there is NOTHING to worry about. Sure only a minority of Muslims are troublesome, but it is an uncomfortably big minority and that seems to be the case wherever there is a sizeable Muslim community. Australia has been lucky so far in that our Muslim community is still small and we have been tougher at staring down their maverick tendencies. However the violence and intimidation hanging over Mijnheer Wilders' tour (as much from the bacterially enhanced leftist yobbetariat as from Muslims) suggests there is something rotten in the state.

February 22, 2013 @ 9:23pm
by Paul Toohey

At least you prove a point Eric. your a platform for the left thinking peoples. Nothing about what you have expressed is logical of relevance to the matter of people wanting to see this man speak in Australia..
You report on the news everyday yet you haven't factored in that Islam is a totalitarianism ideology that will surely change the face of Australia, that is because you are scared of Islam and I can understand why.
When you grow up and get balls. I will take you're reports as credible.
Your mate Paul Toohey.........

February 22, 2013 @ 9:51pm
by Rosina Mason

The world needs to hear the truth about the evils of Islam and the world needs men like Geert Wilders !!!

February 22, 2013 @ 10:05pm
by Paul

Eric you didnt even attempt to analyse Geert's critique of the Islamic belief system itself, which he believes is dangerous to western society. Regardless of whether people vote for him or not, its his theory on Islam that matters. Stop attacking him, and do your research on what Islam ACTUALLY teaches.

February 22, 2013 @ 10:20pm
by Mildred Humphries

Gert is an extremist, but he is also telling the truth. Unlike most misguided liberals in Australia, I have actually lived in a Muslim country and it was terrifying. Are the blindingly obvious lessons of Islam in Europe and Africa too difficult for Australians to understand? Do they somehow think the Muslims in Australia are any less committed to Sharia Law and owning the country? Do they think the kindness of Australians is enough to allow them to live in peace with Islamists?
They will be left shaking their heads as they wonder how they lost everything their forebears strived for, as Mosques replace churches, Friday and Saturday become the weekend, and everything we value as Australians is destroyed.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:03am
by An

Thank you! Good to some some TRUE news about this guy.. and no wonder why he's here, Nobody wants him in his own country!!!

February 23, 2013 @ 12:09am
by Charlie Pickering

Us long as were all tolerant and respect each other everything will be okay.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:24am
by Laurence Juber

Any discussing about Islam in this Country is like going through the 5 stages of grief over and over.

1. Denial and isolation
2. Anger
3. Bargaining
4. Depression
5. Acceptance.

The one caveat is you rarely get past 3. No matter how many Islamic errors and contradictions you show a Muslim or Muslim apologist, they will either deny the facts, get angry at you for pointing them out or start lying and bargaining their way through in the hope that everything will go away!
They will initially argue back using many logical fallacies. Once you point out the issues clearly a second time or a third time, they will call you a racist or an extremist and halt discussions simultaneously!

February 23, 2013 @ 1:11am
by Eve Taylor

I'd like for these Muslim supporters to leave this country and go and live in Muslim nations. Why should I accept your argument when you haven't lived in these nations. Geert Wilders on the other hand has and has seen first hand what's happened to his country. What do you have to go by and with what experience? The only violence shown on television are from your protesters against this mans views which makes you just as bad as the people you are defending. You will never take my voice away without a fight. I have an ethnic background and I know my politics and what Muslims tried to do to my nation. You are traitors to this beauty country and most of all uneducated in your history.

February 23, 2013 @ 1:19am
by Michael

Media do not ever mention Sam Solomon - why? Scared to do proper homework and discover Geert is right?

February 23, 2013 @ 2:07am
by Charles Esson

Good coverage from the Gobal Mail (a paper in england), rubbish from the Sun and the age (the local rags). The world is upside down. One small point, not many take Bolt seriosly.

February 23, 2013 @ 8:18am
by Charles Esson

Oops got my papers mixed up, "The Global Mail" was the one that tried to change the internet by having horizontal scrolling. I was thinking of the Mirror. As murdock and fairfax rattle to the right who will take the progressive space?

February 23, 2013 @ 8:25am
by Chris Mulherin

An article about the serious issues would have been well received but why bother with simply playing the man? Whether he exaggerates the level of his support is not the main issue. All of the above could have been encapsulated in one paragraph in a serious story about Islam. Or at a minimum, Wilders' claims about Islam could have been reported and fact checked.

February 23, 2013 @ 8:27am
by SH

Australians are appalling hypocrites. There are riotous protests against people like Geert Wilders while the Australian federal and state governments actively practice discrimination against New Zealanders. Kiwis working and paying tax in Australia are not eligible for any of the social services, education assistance or disaster relief afforded other Australia tax payers, They are also prevented from becoming Australian citizens regardless of how long they reside work and pay tax in Australia. Australia practices discrimination against its closest friend and ally and not a word is said.

February 23, 2013 @ 8:40am
by Liam

I worked with a young man from The Netherlands up until just recently. Whether you like to hear what he has to say or not, it is representative of what this young mans experience was living at home. I am all for immigration, freedom of religion etc. But it certainly makes you stand up and take notice when you learn the results of it being done the wrong way.

February 23, 2013 @ 8:54am
by Anthony

Oh Oh (waves hands and clutches pearls), the 2 percent Muslim community are going to enslave the good white christian founders of Australia, just like the Greek orthodoxes did 60 years ago and the Vietnamese animistics did 40 years ago.... except none of it ever happened of course. They simply asked for a bit of equal space to follow their own personal beliefs.

February 23, 2013 @ 9:02am
by MarkWW

Wow, the comments are stacked with lots of dissenting (and mostly off topic) opinion to a fact-checking story, and from people who appear to have already made up their minds. Just like the audiences going to hear the puffed-up prejudiced Dutchman, and the puffed-up prejudiced Iman, and the puffed-up prejudiced opionista. Preachers of hate are the enemies of civil society.

February 23, 2013 @ 9:12am
by Bronwyn

Yes, thank you for the real facts

February 23, 2013 @ 9:16am
by AS

I am amazed at the hatred towards Muslims. Sure, the Koran might not be filled with pure love, but have you ever read the Bible from cover to cover? It's not all filled with love etc! Like Christians, most Muslims around the world don't slavishly follow their scriptures to the letter but know how to moderate their faith with the modern world.

The reality is that Catholic priests have done more damage to more people in Western societies than Muslim fanatics (if you include the suicides of those who have been abused). When Catholic terrorists were blowing up children on mainland Briatin, did we hear any outcry against their faith.

Everyone is too polarised these days, life is reduced to polar extremes. I don't believe that any religion is defined by the few nutcases on the fringe.

February 23, 2013 @ 9:51am
by Shane

Thankyou for this enlightening information. Letting these guys get under your skin, whether it be here or overseas is unnecessary. Because if you dig deep enough you will find the truth, contrary to what they are saying, or wait and they will put their foot in their mouth and reveal what they are really about.

To bad the national paper editorial was misrepresenting that he was only attacking Islamism, when it was plain he was attacking Islam as a whole (Tony Jones Lateline interview). That to me is worrying enough, or maybe should be expected.

February 23, 2013 @ 9:59am
by Judy Crozier

If we were to judge Christianity by the antics and declarations of its most extreme conservative wings, we would all be filled with terror and heading for the hills. So we should be wary indeed of those, such as some commenting here, who pull out examples of 'extremism' at random, to use a concocted set of accusations against an entire demographic. Do they still teach clear thinking in schools?

February 23, 2013 @ 10:33am
by David Samson

I support that this man's hate filled message should be allowed to be expressed in Australia and debated seriously, but if the "facts" supporting his alleged popularity are just lies then that needs to be exposed. Do other media outlets here just swallow every claim made without putting in the journalistic hard yards to confirm them?
But Eric Ellis describing him as "extravagantly coiffed" and "pompadoured" hardly adds to the serious debate over what he stands for, any more than do references to Julia Gillards nose or bum.

February 23, 2013 @ 10:43am
by Thequiet Australian

If Geert Wilders is such a crack pot then why is everyone making such a fuss? The reason is that he is only saying what the rest of us are thinking and I admire his courage..

February 23, 2013 @ 11:12am
by Cath

I can not believe the above comments about this article. It would seem illogical to criticise the author of the article for pointing out misrepresentations made by the mainstream media and the Q society and try to defend Wilders right to freedom of speech. As a so called " left wing" Australian, I defend his right to speak but I also reserve the right to read commentary both for and against his arguments. Lets face it if you are happy to read, support or believe the likes of Andrew Bolt you probably can't interpret this article or its intent anyway.

February 23, 2013 @ 11:33am
by Heather

Great analysis as usual. Am loving the Global Mail!

February 23, 2013 @ 11:36am
by Yann

Thanks for the article, I welcome the nuanced analysis of the political situation in the Netherlands, which is often lacking by the time stories make it to these shores. While some may want to debate the so-called rise of extremism (sometimes ad-nauseum) - it doesn't mean it's the only story.

However, at the risk of sounding like a pedant, I was irked at the misuse of the phrase "the exception that proves rule" in relation to the shocking murder of the linesman at a youth football game.

"That killing was a shocking event, and for many fair-minded Dutch, it represented the violent exception that proves the rule of their famously tolerant liberalism. "

The phrase is supposed to mean, that the exception to the rule implies the existence of a rule: e.g. "No public drinking on Saturdays" implies that drinking is allowed on every other day of the week.

The use of the phrase in the above article seems to border on the non-sensical, i.e. the murder somehow re-inforces Dutch tolerance.

While it could be reasonable argued that the conspicuous (and no doubt genuine) displays of solidarity after the murder bore testament to dutch tolerance, I don't think it can be argued that the murder itself in anyway re-inforced it.

Thanks for your time,
Y

February 23, 2013 @ 11:45am
by Jeong Kim

It's hard to find coverage of the actual ideas. "News" always wants to take the form of sports coverage: tactics, manoeuvring, play-by-play. What are the ideas? Are they sound? What are the counter-arguments?

February 23, 2013 @ 11:48am
by The Dr

Eric. You should get ready for a planned assault on your article by the same 50 or so , "free thinkers", that are acolytically pro this type of visiting moron stuff; and are paid to respond to articles that show up their latest heroes mistruths and l ies by whining , bitching, & attempting to discredit the author or discredit your facts in blogs and in letters to the editor. The nut/bolt fan club are pretty quick to protect the pretend "lord" who has an all seeing wonky eye, and the rest of the $50/hour prophets of "whatever makes quick bucks" trash like this bloke & despite the LOTO swearing that they do not import supporters or tactics from overseas; (did anyone see the caravan of the incontinent protest on the lawn of parliament house with the signs provided by the tea party, complete with spelling mistakes?), to exploit some perceived advantage in appealing to the red-necked in the lead up to an election; his attack dog bernardi is a an old friend and their big female miner friend has put up the bucks for his visit as well as the "lord" with the wonky eye. Look out for false prophets indeed.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:18pm
by gabrianga

Nice try Mr Ellis. Even got Abbott and Bernardi a mention.

Must be frustrating to you and your comrades that Wilder's Party holds more seats than either the Socialist Party or Internationa lGreens.

Wilders 15 in House 10 in Senate 5 in European Parliament

Socialists 15 in House 8 in Senate 2 in European Parliament

Greens 4 in House 5 in Senate 3 In European Parliament

Just for your info the British Muslim population has gone from 1% to near 5% so your figure of 1% means little in the long run

Census Year Number of Muslims '000 Percent change Population of England and Wales
1961 50 - 46,000
1971 226,000 352%
1981 553,000 144%
1991 950 ,000 71%
2011 2,869,000 79%

Just a thought.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:25pm
by Blair

Thanks for the interesting and enlightening report on Geert Wilders. You can generally tell the character of somebody by the company they keep or attract, the fact that Cory Bernardi and Andrew Bolt wax lyrical about Wilders should be more than enough to make most rational people think twice about his claims.

We don't need proponents of hate speech coming to Oz to spread their bile around the countryside when we have Andrew Bolt and the Murdoch press doing the job already.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:33pm
by Phil

It takes a brave man to stand up and continue to speak the TRUTH about ISLAM when your life has been threatened. Ask the CHRISTIANS in Iran, Egypt, Libya, or Nigeria how tolerant ISLAM can be to other faiths.

February 23, 2013 @ 12:57pm
by Eric Woodham

Hi
I am an Australian Citizen who shares the concerns regarding the spreading of Islam in the Western world. It is hard not to support these views when you see rioters bearing signs like, "We will cut your head off!" They enter our country and then start protesting for change. We build them Schools and Mosques out of our tax revenues, yet we are not allowed to enter.. Mullahs have claimed that they can take over the Goverence of the country within 20 years by using our social security system to fund themselves by having children. 6 kids and you never have to work.. Within 20 years they have enough votes to win a federal election. If you say anything they threaten you with death and dismemberment.. I don't necessarily agree with Geert Wilders opinions but his warnings bear some weight when you see what is happening here in Australia. We have Arabs in the family and they are appalled at the amount of Palastinians being allowed to enter the country.. They say we should remember Beirut Lebanon as thi9s could well happen to us! Words of wisdom.

February 23, 2013 @ 1:30pm
by Emily

Thank goodness for people like geert wilders. Any Australian party that follows his views will get my vote.

February 23, 2013 @ 3:05pm
by john

The Muslim apologists and enablers are everywhere, my suburb the school kids get letters in Arabic and English only, never mind the other immigrants they get nothing. The non Muslims who stick up for Islam have clearly never read the Koran or the Hadith, read it, I have and you should worry.

February 23, 2013 @ 3:18pm
by Jenny Dwyer

When is he in Sydney?

February 23, 2013 @ 3:19pm
by Keith Thomas

if Eric Ellis did not resort to name-calling (the extravagantly coiffed Dutch politician...the pompadoured Dutchman...) - usually a tactic of climate-change denialists and others who think they are displaying their cleverness with "JuLIAR" - we might have been guided to the real issues. Paul (below) helps. If you think forced genital mutilation, honour killings, the mistreatment of women and girls (Google Lama al-Ghamdi - a sad story that shows how the Muslim state condones the most brutal treatment of female children), are without consequence, AND not planned to be coming to a suburb near you, you are missing Wilders' point.

February 23, 2013 @ 3:46pm
by Chris

Great article. It's good to find a journalist willing to check the facts others are saying.

Incidentally, to all the commentators who seem to rush to Wilder's defense because.....well because you agree with him, so it doesn't matter if he's overstating his own popularity.....did you actually read the article? If not, why are you posting here?

February 23, 2013 @ 5:10pm
by Blair

@Phil, there's nothing brave about a bigot telling lies and preaching hate to a minority of ratbags in a closed forum. If he is so concerned about enlightening the general public, why is he so secretive about his funding?

Do a little homework on some of the Christian fundamentalists in Australia and tell me how they differ in any way from the rabid Imams?

There are extremists in many areas of society, the trick is encouraging moderates to call them out.

February 23, 2013 @ 5:55pm
by Andrew

Everyone has the right to voice an opinion, that's free speech, the next part of free speech is to have critics, and for those critics to be able to verify, analyze and argue different points of view. This also must by definition allow critics the chance to show flaws in argument, either as facts or logic. In this debate there are precious facts delivered by many and facts that are sometimes delivered skewed or unverified.

This article was not talking about the man but the reports of the Q organisation to support its sponsored speaker.

This is a symptom of the Political and Journalistic need for fast stories, where facts are taken at face value and then often repeated with minimal checking. have worked with people from many backgrounds, religions and ethnic minorities, and found that they now the limitations of their religion and are fine Humans that do integrate in time to their surrounds.

Australia is still a predominately White, Anglo-Saxon, Christian based society, where religions of all types would have an extremely difficult time in taking political control of any Parliament, with a constitutional separation of State and Church.

February 23, 2013 @ 7:41pm
by james

why is it that when people critisis or have a diffrent view of islam they are called racist scum
yet when mullahs preach about the evils of the inferdels they are not racist but praised as people of understanding

geert wilders is only speaking the true
just look at areas of sydney & melbourne that have been taken over by these people
they are creating a country within a country with their beliefs
its time the politicions of this country australia to stand up to these people who are a threat
to our way of life

February 23, 2013 @ 9:05pm
by John

Ask yourself: Have I read the Koran?

If the answer is 'No', then your ignorance explains all the red herring comments about Christians, the Bible, et etc.

February 23, 2013 @ 10:34pm
by Andrew Pitt

It's nice to see that the readers of this paper have such diverse views. Presuming that everyone who left a comment read the article... which uses more accurate figures to debunk propaganda, that seems pretty logical to me. I expected to find a general consensus that Geert Wilders was a dangerous man with hateful views (of course there's some love in all hate and there's good in all evil). I had feared that the article had been preaching to an open door. Hopefully its voice gets through a few closed doors.
One reader writes: "Geert Wilders on the other hand has and has seen first hand what's happened to his country."
His country has hardly fallen to pieces, but the comment reminded me of my time there. One thing I noticed when living there was the segregation of its immigrant population into areas with streets named after Dutch masters with copies of examples of their works above the street sign. These didn't feature in the nicer suburbs. The message seemed pretty clear: "live here, learn our culture, then maybe live with us". Now this wasn't wholly the case, of course, and it was just an impression, but it was pretty noticeable. The flip side is that fear mongering can develop easily: "That area used to be Dutch working class, now it's an unrecognisable ghetto". Is it religion or relative poverty and exclusion from a society that people have sought refuge or a better life in that causes increased crime? Or is it profiling? An over-abundance of rhetoric?

As for his hair... it's pretty much 'the' hair style of every college jock in The Netherlands... just with less gel and colour (though I'm guessing that's more symbolic than natural).

February 24, 2013 @ 12:18am
by Renato

Note to Eric Woodham
You are entitled to your opinion - but where are the 'facts' to support your statements?
You may be unconcerned at having your intelligence insulted, but I refuse to be manipulated by the ignorant baying mobs who peddle fear, hate and lies.

Instead of peddling the gossip of the misinformed and grossly ignorant why don't you *think* - stop being part of the problem - stand-up and demand that facts be produced to support their arguments?
If people in Australia used their brains to *think* and question the crap served up daily by the MSM 'opinion writers' this Nation would be far better off.

February 24, 2013 @ 12:29am
by Rex

ThequietAustralian - if you think Wilders is saying what "we" are thinking you are wrong. Maybe in your neck of the woods, but not mine. Don't presume your views are shared by me and don't presume to speak for me!

Now go an' pick some beans for supper, chop some wood for the fire and get Ellie May's bath goin'. It's Saturday night.

February 24, 2013 @ 2:11am
by Roland

Mr Wilders has significant support in the Netherlands we have multiple political parties with no single party holding a majority all governments are formed through multi party coalitions giving smaller parties a chance to influence policy.In the last elections mr Wilders got 15 seats significantly less then the 24 he had but this was because most of his voters from the previous election simply stayed home and didnt vote.It was a unusual election result in that it was less fragmented then in previous years.The Dutch electorate is quite volatile and mr Wilders can get anything between 9 to 35 seats depending on the mood of the day.The issue with Muslims in the Netherlands and Europe and the non-Muslim world in general has nothing to do with a lack of social services ,discrimination or lack of opportunity.Non Muslim migrants do very well in general.It is not a problem of migration but of Islam.Some people deny Islam is the problem but I think it is the only common denominator that can explain the problems.In Australia it is Lebanese ,in the UK Pakitanis,in the Netherlands Moroccans in Germany Turks and Bosnians these people have nothing in common with each other except their religious afiliation.

February 24, 2013 @ 3:25am
by Roland

@Andrew Pitt streets named after Dutch artists are extremely common and exist in every town and city in the Netherlands.It is ridiculous to think migrants would be "segregated" in these.Migrants , Muslim migrants tend to segregate themselves and cluster together with there own stores schools mosques etc.Islam encourages this and it is a common feature everywhere Muslims go.Mr Wilders hair style is also not what every Dutch "college jock" wears You were probably stoned or otherwise intoxicated while visiting my country.

February 24, 2013 @ 3:37am
by luke Whitington

many immigrants and refugees have fled the cruelty and intolerance of islam.
many did not get away killed by biblical stoning or decapitation. and we still wait for the moderates to speak out. are moderate muslims fearful of the bloody consequences?

February 24, 2013 @ 11:14am
by Kylie McDowel

Eric the Bold we should call you. Hey, try holding up a bible in a public square in Egypt, Sudan, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, etc, if you have the guts, moreover, shout out to everyone that passes by you are a Christian. My guess is that your head will be off before 10 minutes is up (why so long, you may ask, well, it takes over 9 minutes while a Brotherhood member is praying over you).

Eric, you are a journalist, yet you pretend to know nothing of the massacres that are going overseas to the Coptic Christians, Christians, and others at the hands of Muslims. Why is this?

February 24, 2013 @ 1:18pm
by Philip Dowling

I was expecting a careful line by line analysis. Instead this is a complete beat up. To say that somebody only got 950 000 votes and not 1 000 000 shows basic mathematical ignorance. It is common practice to round off numbers to simplify them. To argue about the lastest poll and the dates they were taken is not only irrelevant but misleading. The point is that the substance of the Q society's claim is true. I only wish that the labels on the the products I bought at the supermarket were as accurate.

February 24, 2013 @ 2:48pm
by Alan W. de Ville

From the day they are born (even before, really) Muslims are subjected to prayer 5 times a day. The call to prayer is made loudly and publicly in Muslim countries, and is, in effect, a form of brainwashing. I believe this is why Muslims tend to become violent when their religion is criticised. Once there are enough of them in the Western world they will demand the right to inflict this intrusive noise on everyone. The criticism of Geerd Wilders speech avoided saying what was definitely correct in it. It is a fact that for 500 years after the crusades there was hardly any increase in the Muslim population, and they were considered so backward that their countries were colonised by Europeans. Since then their numbers have multiplied,due to the introduction of western medicine and they have, to some extent. been brought into the modern world through western education. In my lifetime (89 years) their numbers have increased from 200 million to 1.5 billion. and are still increasing fast.

February 24, 2013 @ 4:48pm
by Alan W. de Ville

Although millions of Islamics are flooding into Western Europe there is no reverse flow, so it cannot be called multicultural. As the number of Islamic immigrants increases due to their ever increasing population it might eventually be called a takeover. There are already signs that this means eventual infliction of Sharia law.

February 24, 2013 @ 5:08pm
by Lienos

1. Being from Belgium - close enough to The Netherlands in language and culture - I can assure you that Geert Wilders is NOT to be taken seriously. Wilders' PVV associates in Belgium with Vlaams Belang, a nationalist and racist party which was blocked from entering in any government by the other parties through a "cordon sanitaire" - i.e. the agreement that none of the other parties would enter into a coalition with that party because of their divisive viewpoints (besides a significant amount of votes at some point in time - up to 20-25% in Flanders if I'm not mistaken). Vlaams Belang's position has since then dwindled to a mere 5% (that's less than the Greens, imagine that!), and I am sure the same will happen to Wilders' PVV as they are a party which screams loudly but does very little.

2. The same goes for Islam, by the way, with the ones screaming loudest being a minority who are overrepresented in media time and coverage. I have lived in a Muslim country (on my own, as a young woman) and studied the Qur'an and Sharia Law to a certain extent. In doing so, I found Islam to be a religion which pushes its people to be good, healthy and clean. Nonetheless, in that same Muslim country, I encountered fear - especially amongst women - for an "Arabisation" of Islam, pressuring them to wear veils, interpreting the Qur'an in an oppressive and hateful way. All this to such an extent that I encountered women who were ready to give up their faith because of what other people have made it become (through stigmatisation and radicalisation).
That, I believe, is very sad, and is exactly why we should have another kind of discussion than we are having now; one that preferably excludes those shouters who cannot even spell properly in their own language. Sorry but... hard to take you seriously when my English is better than yours.

February 24, 2013 @ 5:41pm
by neil steadson

I know little about this man and wanted information, but when I read he was "extravagantly coiffed" and an "Islamophobe" , that he was sponsored by an "obscure group" (how do you become an "obscure" group?) all in the first two paragraphs, I thought perhaps I should come back when there is less waffle & more information. Please advise

February 24, 2013 @ 9:14pm
by Robert Maxwell

There was a flow out of Europe into Islamic and other countries. This outflow is called colonialism. For the Dutch Indonesia was a main colony in which they behaved worse than Al Qaeda, particularly in the spice trade. I lived in Holland for a year and hold the Nederlanders in affection but we would do well to remember all of our history. We can only hope that they treat us better then we treated them, I think they do.

February 25, 2013 @ 11:47am
by Rod

Clearly the writer has his head where the sun does not shine if concern is not raised about Islam getting a greatef hold in this country.
It has a very bad track record when it comes to tolerance, but wants toldrance. The rights of women are not what we want here.

February 26, 2013 @ 2:18am
by rem

As a dutchman i see that the distance between our countries is not only measured in km.
Wilders is a populist who prays on the fears of people.
He is a clever debater and a shrewd politician.
He cherry picks from the left and the right and says what the people want to hear.
but whatever you think of him, he has a right to speak his mind.
He has to live in constant protection because of his views.
He and his wife live in fear most of the time.
In our country we have become tolerant to the intolerant and the burden of immigration is weighing down on society.
We have a 3rd generation non western immigrants who have not integrated at all in our society and, as an example, in the age group of 12 to 23, 65% of Moroccans youth has been involved in criminal acts. They make up not even 3% of the population.
That is extreme how ever you look at it.

I am not a Wilders fan, i would never vote for him. But the biggest problem is, that for a lot of people, there is no political alternative.
The left, who is mainly responsible for our immigration policies of the last 40 years has dropped the ball but take no responsibility for the failure of these Multicultural policies.
They choose to look away and ignore the problems, and if anyone says anything that is not 100% left, you are seen as a bigot or a racist.

Furthermore the non western immigration costs us as 7,2 billion euros per year. Thats about 92 billion Aus dollar.
Per Year!
That is a lot of cash for a system that fails miserably.
Because of this, the anual increase of crime and the national feeling of insecurity, Wilders and other populist parties (albeit not immigration orientated) are gaining in strength.
To dismiss his political influance would be ignorent.

Our immigration policies have failed.
Fact.
There are many happy well adjusted successful immigrants in our country, from bricklayers to writers to lawyers.
They are represented in Politics, Police force and we have a Moroccan mayor.
But the problems we do have seem to concentrate around the non western islamic people.
The 2nd and 3rd generation i might add.
This is a problem and looking away or ignoring these facts help no one.
Not the society as a whole but also the people in particular.

Rem

February 26, 2013 @ 6:05am
by Paul

Oxford exploitation trial: Man 'prepared girl for gang rape':

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-21578312

February 27, 2013 @ 3:18am
by a don

Nice to see some facts. I normally would not want to give this man any more oxygen than he needs, but I did live in The Netherlands for 4 years and have some perspective on Muslims there.

The muslims are not integrated. Maybe they choose to live in their own communities but generally they are not welcomed by the Dutch. The Dutch are generally conservative family oriented people. As expats we decided not to live an expat life but try to integrate. We shopped locally and got to know the local business people. I used a local accountant for my business. We became friends with the local real estate agent, a restauranteur and other parents at the school. But our only interaction with Muslims was our cleaner. A lovely Moroccan woman who was in a long term relationship with a Dutch man. They could not marry as the Government thought it was a scam relationship even though Blind Freddy could see they had been in a 15 year relationship. She kept her savings in cash hidden in the house, in a very clever place by the way, as she distrusted Netherlands bureaucracy so much. Yes there was a lot of crime from the Moroccan teenagers. I was a victim of an attempted car theft of my computer and had windows smashed as they looked for goods in your car when parked. They were in an under-class. No Moroccan kid ever got picked for the local soccer team. And so on. Yes I would agree that the Muslims could do more to fit into their new society. Speak the local language and make the first attempt to say good morning at the shops and on the trains and so on. In other ways the Dutch have themselves to blame as there did not seem to be any real attempt to integrate foreigners into their society. I hardly ever saw a Dutch person doing an unskilled job - they were mostly immigrants as cleaners, garbage collectors and road workers. They were placed at the bottom of society and pretty much left there. The Dutch needed immigrants, and that is why I had a job there too, as when their economy was booming in the 90s they could not source enough labour locally. They had lost people in WW II and lost people to emigration after the war. They were short of people after the war and did not have enough to populate the next generation to fulfil growth. Now that their economy is weak and a lot of people are unemployed no doubt there is unrest. But to blame it all on the Muslims is just not right.

February 27, 2013 @ 11:18am
by Concerned

Well said, Rem, and anyone who wants to bury their head in the sand over this issue, I'm sorry, but you will proabably find out much too late that all of your rights have been taken away by people who have no interest in anything other than their own agenda.

There is a REAL PROBLEM going on in the world and a huge clash of world systems that has been
occurring and is about to become very very much worse.

Peace loving Muslims, please heed the advice from your oen sacred book, surat 5 verse 119 which says "if you are in any doubt as to the revelation, ask the People of the Book." Anyone who is familiar with any if this knows exactly what it means ...

True peace to all of you, may you have long, peaceful, healthy, loving lives. Take care.

February 27, 2013 @ 3:28pm
by Ingrid

Of course theres a huge problem all over the world. It will get worse before it explodes into something ghastly. Talking about colonism is 'oh so we have this same excuse all the time'. Give it a rest. All cultures have had their colonial periods. We can look at the Ottomon empire to get an idea of islamic colonialism, also the Moors in Spain. We humans are the same in many ways to wanting and claiming power over other cultures. We're all as bad as each other. Muslims have little want to integrate, they want to reinvent a type of 'Ottomon empire' again, and in their delusion they say it will be bigger this time, world wide. Total nonsense as eventually the world will get fed up and spring bigtime. i have a slight sense that that may not be as far away as we think. Blind Freddie can see they cause huge probs worldwide at this very minute and every minute, religious fervour is v powerful force to unite and fool people. Anyone who says they dont is obviously getting a new load of sand dumped every week to stick their head in. These people (sand heads)are actually far worse than the religiously fervent themselves. Because their stupidity is so dangerous, but its stupidity thats been the main cause of ALL the worlds ills as average IQ belongs to 95% of the worls population and average IQ is between 80 and 95. Not v high really is it? The outstanding thing about average IQ is the lack of foresight or insight it gives its owners, hence we hurtle headlong into constant calamities. this type of IQ can also disguise itself in verbal diahorrea, leaving observers to feel that the person may be on the ball.

February 27, 2013 @ 4:17pm
by Cliff B

"Wilders is a populist who prays on the fears of people.
He is a clever debater and a shrewd politician.
He cherry picks from the left and the right and says what the people want to hear.
but whatever you think of him, he has a right to speak his mind. "

Couldn't help but think "Abbott" would easily substitute for "Wilders" in the above.
After all his cherry picking, distortion and absurdly false claims on as many hot issues as he can drag up. e.g. "We will stop the boats", "The carbon tax will wipe Whyalla off the map", "Pick up the phone to Nauru!" etc.

February 27, 2013 @ 5:30pm
by Rod

Clearly you should put your head out and do a reality check. More Islam = Less freedom of expression.

February 28, 2013 @ 11:54am
by Hb

Why this controversial politician imposes his interpretations on the Australians. Australia has a population of approximately 22 millions and all are Christians, so I think 200000 Muslims in Australia don't make any changes. As far as they understand one another,with mutual respect and equal rights, there wouldn't be any issue. In Malaysia there is a big Christian community

February 28, 2013 @ 2:08pm
by Andrew Starkie

Naturally, much of the discussion surrounding Wilders' visit focused on two questions: should he, with his extremist views, be allowed here at all; and if so, should the media have given him any air time. As his message (I think) is not pro-violence, I believe he should have been allowed in Australia as ours is a Democratic country which offers freedom of speech for all. Also, we have a free media, able to decide who to give time to and who to ignore.

As a mature, secure, educated nation we should be able to listen to whomever we wish and pick and choose the worthwhile bits while discarding the rubbish. I'm confident most Australians would place this bloke in the latter category.

February 28, 2013 @ 4:24pm
by David Goldin

Why does Mr Wilders annoy so many Australian journalists? 950,000 or 1,000,000 voters - they're a helluva lot of people in the Netherlands that do support him. He is articulate, courageous and there is a lot of truth in what he says, albeit smothered in fear.

The fact that (only) 2% of Australia's population is Muslim means little. In 711, Tariq ibn-Ziyad landed in Spain and at some point overran the peninsula for the next 800 years.

Australians who call Mr Wilders racist miss the point. He views Islam as an ideology, so is against its propagation whether the adherents are black, white or caramel.

An analysis of the world's trouble spots - from insurgent tensions to civil wars - easily leads one to conclude that Islam is in some way responsible. Northern Nigeria, Sudan/South Sudan, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Southern Philippines, Aceh in Indonesia, Southern Thailand, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Kashmir - and formerly Chechnya, Kosova, Bosnia - the list is seemingly endless. These are areas where Islam either dominates or seeks to assert itself.

Ignore Mr Wilders' warning at your peril.

March 1, 2013 @ 4:22pm
by Ingrid

Goodness me Mr Starkie, what rarified air do you exist in? The trendy inner city or the north shore of sydney or eastern suburbs in Melbourne. Cause if you would get out of the out of touch and protected suburb you inhabit and head to the coalface in western Sydney or north and west Melbourne you will find the exact opposite to 'I trust australians will see his views as rubbish etc'. Good lord man I know a large number of people who were just TOO SCARED to hit one of his lectures. But to a one they admire his bravery. Read the Koran (I have, a horrendous exp) and find out why. I dont think ANYONE has the right to comment on this faith unless you have read its scriptures if you can call them that, they are totally unlike any other scriptures of other faiths. Maybe its because they are not really scriptures in the full sense as rather a manual to how to achieve world domination. Their is a large nos of 'blinkered' people swallowing all they are told and not venturing to have a look themselves. How common is this throughout history? All sheep follow the shepherd to their doom at the slaughter house, humans do the same and only wake up just when the knife is falling

March 1, 2013 @ 4:58pm
by Pablo

For all the PC bluster from the far right about free speech, this guy achieved all he set out to achieve. 1. Come to Oz, 2. Speak, 3. Not get arrested for speaking his lies. Where is the danger to free speech, rightards?
The only attempt to shut down free speech was the vilification of those who told it like it was, and recognized him as a far right pinhead.

March 1, 2013 @ 9:08pm
by Pierre Bernard

I think you should listen to what Geer Wilder had to say, this what he is talking about:
Islam in Paris
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933

This is the Australia you are prepared to give us; NO thanks. Your position is dictated by either ignorance or cowardice

March 2, 2013 @ 11:40am
by michael mills

Why does this commentary insist on playing the man and not debate the issues. You suggest wilders message is losing its resonance - where is the data? How do I know ellis has any credibility? From the video it suggests there are deep seated problems with Islamic politics in secular countries and we should learn from the experices of others.

March 2, 2013 @ 3:08pm
by Paul James

Pierre Bernard . As Muslim 3rd generation French-born people of Algerian decent, my closest Parisian friends and families suffer higher unemployment, poorer access to housing, and racism by the Police in their daily lives. Christian church bells ring loudly across the city- several times per day, while Mosques are forbidden from 'calling to prayer' on Friday. Rules to preserve the "French-culture" and France's immigration policy model of 'integration' (as opposed to multiculturalism) have been known to frown upon those who bring culture from other lands. Whilst multiculturalism has its problems, we now know that the integration model has largely 'othered' those who are of non-core descent. It is a problem with countries who grew their wealth by colonization. I remind him that Australia has no such legacy.

March 2, 2013 @ 9:00pm
by Paul c

What a rubbish article. 950000 is not a million. That's not the point. You are incapable of discussing the issues. Crawl back to your Chardonnay.

March 2, 2013 @ 10:55pm
by Stewart O'Brien

Look at the message Wilders brings, from personal experience in his country. We need to take note. In Australia, multiculturalism is a dismal failure. Islamic idealogy is incompatible with the west, yet their desire to enjoy western standards of living persist. In Holland, Muslims comprise 5% of the population, yet consume 40% of the social welfare budget. Greg Sheridan of "The Australian" wrote of Lakemba, where he grew up and now lives. The childhood integration of Greek, Italian and various cultures, is now replaced by a wave of Australian born Islamic individuals with no intention of adopting Australian values, with thuggery and mysoginism being the norm. The Sydney Lebanese rape gangs are a prime example. I saw in Brisbane last week, for the first time, a woman clad in a full-face black burqua. I have to say I was a little shocked, it seemed so out of place, and I have worked all over the world. The Wahadists in Saudi, make no apology for over 500 public beheadings each year, secret demolition of ancient Islamic shrines in Mecca to build high-rise hotels, and their hypocrisy towards women. Why should we not impose Western law on those of their faith coming here. Where are the politicians willing to put our Australian population first, and not only on this topic.

March 4, 2013 @ 8:59am
by sally b

Nope, can't ignore Stewart's claim that ' multiculturism is a dismal failure' in Australia.
What? How did you conclude that?
We would be next to nothing without all the different people who have come here since British colonisation.
I couldn't imagine Australia without it's wonderful population variety.
Oh, and Muslims do have to conform to our laws, like everyone else, and they continually show themselves to be a very forbearing group in the face of the utter tripe that is spoken about them.

March 6, 2013 @ 5:39pm
by sally b

ps Eric : "pompadoured" :-)

March 6, 2013 @ 5:41pm
by Stewart

Sally B, I had hoped my context was clear, but you have misunderstood. The dismal failure refers to more recent Middle Eastern immigration, using Lakemba as an example. Read Greg Sheridan's article. He lives there. Post war migration was a great success, I agree. As Greg says, the landscape has changed and the new Middle Eastern arrivals have no intention to integrate. Recent cases of child bride laws being invoked, and western Sydney drug-related gang shootings, etc, are but a small taste of what has changed. Open your eyes.

March 8, 2013 @ 8:27pm
by Koen van Dijk

@Stewart O'Brien "no intention of adopting Australian values, with thuggery and mysoginism being the norm". Indeed. But how about Muslim values?

March 8, 2013 @ 8:40pm
by Stewart

Koen, this is becoming interesting. Which particular Muslim values are your reference point? Look at the sectarian violence in the Middle east. Muslims killing each other in droves. In Saudi recently, one of the leading Wahadist Imam's has been jailed, and made a $50k blood payment to his estranged wife, for killing his own 5yo daughter, during some perverted virginity examination. Can you believe this stuff? Again, open your eyes. An intelligent appraisal of what you see on the news, should be enough.

March 12, 2013 @ 9:13am
by Erasmus

Cheap shot and stupid mentioning Anders Breivik. Breivik cites everyone, including other dangerous racists like Gandhi, so it is just an attempt to unfairly associate Wilders with a madman. You might as well have said that Wilders is the same height as Josef Stalin - it would be just as relevant. This whole article is an exercise in nitpicking. Rounding 950,000 votes out to a million in conversation is hardly unusual or criminal. And while Wilders needs 24 hour protection from Islamic extremists, Australia will soon host some of the most vile spruikers of anti-semitism that currently walk the earth. I look forward to a little fact checking on that group of charmers.

March 12, 2013 @ 12:50pm
by gary ashton

yes it's very fashionable and somewhat middle class to knock wilders but lets hear what he has to say first. i've followed his arguments for a few years and initially just assumed like most people he is a right wing nut job, but the more i heard him speak and being interviewed the more clearly his perspective appears. and now many months after his visit to australia where he was indeed either ignored or vilified, even on the 7.30 report tony jones attempted to catch him out with his facts, geert comes across as quite rational and sound. eventually the left will have to confront the monster it has created, it will have to acknowledge the extreme islamic ideas it panders to have no place in the west or in healthy democracies and all the journalists that paint wilders as a extreme fascist or right winger will have to face the reality, he hit the nail on the head.
let hm speak, let him be heard and let the public make their own minds up.

May 23, 2013 @ 4:10pm
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by Dennis Sullivan

Even Muslim insiders in the Netherlands like Ayaan Hersi Ali, the author of Infidel, agrees with Wilders. To ridicule him for some left wing agenda does not do justice to such a complex issue. It is costing the west a fortune for internal security thanks to so called peaceful Islam.

May 29, 2013 @ 7:38am
by Old woman of the north

From everything I have read about conditions in the Nederlands, Denmark, Sweden, France, UK etc the bigoted and narrow view of the Muslim clerics and their hatred of western freedoms justifies Wilders and Ayaan Hersi Ali's work at trying to get Muslims to see that Church and State must be separated if the Muslim world is to develop.

Of course the Muslim world is where the Christian one was a several centuries ago. The Christian world with its division of church and state has fought itself to a standstill many times. The trouble today is that the west cannot seem to just stand aside and let the Muslim world fight it out, as the west did over the past thousand years.

June 13, 2013 @ 10:38am
by gary

i did a little research on geert, listened to him speak, i dunno, he seemed quite reasonable to me. when i returned to europe a few months ago i was shocked by the way it has changed, not for the better, it's violent, angry and divided, islam is everywhere there seemed to be conflict, demanding and aggressive. i can see why the natives are worried about it.

June 18, 2013 @ 8:48pm
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